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Boating Safety Course Would Be Mandated Under County Bill

Boat operators would need to complete safety course or face fines under proposal from Legislator Steve Stern.

A new bill to be introduced before the Suffolk County Legislature on Tuesday would require all boat operators to complete a boating safety course.

Under the Suffolk Safer Waterways Act, sponsored by Legis. Steve Stern, D-Dix Hills, boaters would need to display a safety course certificate while boating or face fines.

"A day on the water should be one of pleasure, not one that ends in tragedy, but too often that's exactly what happens," Stern said at a press conference at Tanner Park in Copiague on Monday afternoon.

The legislation comes after a deadly summer on Long Island's shores.

Christopher Mannino, of West Islip, was following a crash under the Robert Moses Causeway in June. A Dix Hills man has been charged with boating while intoxicated in that case. And on July 4 three children when a boat carrying more than two dozen people capsized after a fireworks show near Oyster Bay.

"How many more tragedies must we have in our community?" Stern asked, surrounded by boating safety advocates and other officials. "How many more families will be devastated by the loss of a loved one? When do we say enough is enough?"

If Stern's proposal, which he called "common sense" and "long overdue," is passed by the legislature and signed into law, boaters would then have one year to take the required course, which would be available through several different organizations, including the Coast Guard.

Those who violate the law would face a fine of up $250 for a first offense and up to $500 for a second offense. Any further offenses would be classified as a misdemeanor with a possible fine of $1,000, as well as up to a year in prison.

"Unfortunately this is what it's come to in Suffolk County," Babylon Town Councilman Lindsay Henry said. "There's too much reckless behavior on the water, and though there are many many people who know what they're doing, there are just as many that don't."

State Sen. Charles Fuschillo, R-Merrick, has similar legislation at the state level calling for mandated safety courses, as well as stiffer penalties for boating under the influence.

For people such as Gina Lieneck, whose 11-year-old daughter Brianna was killed in a boat crash in the Great South Bay in 2005, it matters little who sponsors a law as long as something gets done.

"People need to have knowledge when they go out onto the water," said Lieneck, of Deer Park, who was severely injured in the crash that killed her daughter. "You shouldn't be able to just go out and buy a boat, and then the next day put it in the water and not know anything."

Lieneck said the operator of the boat that hit the Bayliner her family was on did not know how to properly use safety flares or operate the radio onboard to call for help. She said she was hopeful the new legislation would force boaters to learn the rules of the water.

"It doesn't get easier as time goes on," Lieneck said of the seven years since the deadly crash. "It gets worse. So if we can educate people, and they have some knowledge, then maybe we can save a life."

Tom Gillen August 9, 2012 at 05:17 pm
@Knee Jerk - in the eyes of the DMV, a motor powered boat is considered a motor vehicle. Got any other points you'd care to make?
Tom Gillen August 9, 2012 at 05:26 pm
@Jake - your debate skills are exceeded only by your proficient use of the English language. Nice work.
Notice how you still didn't answer my question? Whenever you're ready to answer, I'll be ready to read it. Clearly you've missed the point so let me make it even more clear. The point is, you need testing to get a license to drive a car. But you don't need one to operate a boat. Comprende? Oh and to answer your question - I took my road test in my car, the one I drove at the time. P.S. - where did you come up with the idea that I don't even own a boat?
Tom Gillen August 9, 2012 at 05:27 pm
@Knee jerk - regarding selling boats, please expand on this theory.
Tom Gillen August 9, 2012 at 05:29 pm
@Jake - again, great debate skills. Is this the best argument you can come up with? The personal insult really gives validity to your points.
And I already read the link, thanks. It's not a tax. No one is forcing you to buy a boat. Next theory, please.
Tom Gillen August 9, 2012 at 05:30 pm
@Jason - maybe I missed the part of your post where you answered the question....can you repeat it for our audience that's tuning in?
Tom Gillen August 9, 2012 at 05:33 pm
@Jake - whenever you're ready, please go ahead and post that link that proves "the majority of persons involved in the recent accidents have already taken the safety course" (your words, not mine).
And no, a general link that @AJ posted regarding accidents nationwide for the year 2011 is an entirely different set of numbers. You're on the clock
Tom Gillen August 9, 2012 at 05:38 pm
@AJ - first off, if you're the type that has someone else "take the online course for you", then you would be correct in saying you get nothing in return. Now if YOU took the test for YOURSELF like you're supposed to, you would get returns on your investment. I guess it always helps when you're the one actually taking the exam for yourself. Funny how that works, eh?
Secondly, those numbers are brutal!! Only 11% of the 758 reported deaths involved people who actually took the boater's safety course? So 89% of the reported deaths involved people who DID NOT take the boater's safety course.....are you trying to help me prove my point that the course should be required?
Tom Gillen August 9, 2012 at 05:44 pm
Great stuff, EG!!! I didn't need anyone to tell me to take the course either. You really would be a fool not to take it. Unfortunately, some fools need to be told that they should take the course. The goal is to limit the possibility of being a threat to other people on the water....no one really cares if they want to go out and harm themselves.
EG August 9, 2012 at 05:47 pm
You'd be a fool not to have insurance on your boat
You'd be a fool not to take a Coast Guard safety course You'd be a fool not to have all of your safety equipment on board, to overload your boat, to check the marine forcast before boating, to tell a friend or relative your boating plans and ETA of return. You'd be a fool not to have your boat and motor in top condition, to be topped off with fuel and to have extra water and food. Sadly there will always be fools on the water even with a coast guard safety course or boaters license. I despise big heavy handed over regulating Government, I'm a Tea party Libertarian and being responsible boater I didn't need government to tell me to take my Coast Guard safety course, it was a no brainer. That said I have to say that I am not adverse to a boat operator being required to pass a written test to operate a boat, just like every other type of motor vehicle. But I'll draw the line when they try to make health insurance companies cover free life preservers.
John Gruber August 9, 2012 at 06:22 pm
my question is why would you risk doing something potentially dangerous and deadly without being at least somewhat informed? Darwinism at its finest, except when some clown who thinks they know what they're doing decides to put other people at risk for being reckless
John Gruber August 9, 2012 at 06:24 pm
perfect example: my bike falls over, i pick it up and get back on. My boat capsizes in the middle of the water, not so much
Tony Chliek August 9, 2012 at 06:26 pm
These are a small part of the 2011 Coast Guard statistics on reported recreational boating accidents. The complete report for that year and others, can be found at this link. http://www.uscgboating.org/statistics/accident_statistics.aspx
• In 2011, the Coast Guard counted 4588 accidents that involved 758 deaths, 3081 injuries and approximately $52 million dollars of damage to property as a result of recreational boating accidents. • The fatality rate was 6.2 deaths per 100,000 registered recreational vessels. This rate represents a 14.8% increase from last year’s fatality rate of 5.4 deaths per 100,000 registered recreational vessels. • Compared to 2010, the number of accidents decreased 0.35%, the number of deaths increased 12.8% and the number of injuries decreased 2.3%. • Seventy (70) percent of all fatal boating accident victims drowned, and of those, eighty-four (84) percent were not reported as wearing a life jacket. • Only eleven percent of deaths occurred on boats where the operator had received boating safety instruction. Only seven percent of deaths occurred on vessels where the operator had received boating safety instruction from a NASBLA-approved course provider. BOATING SAFETY INSTRUCTIONS SAVES LIVES!
Tom Gillen August 9, 2012 at 06:29 pm
Ah I see you like to live in reality too! Welcome aboard, Tony!!! Isn't it great to have facts to back up an opinion?
BERNIE SCHACHNER August 9, 2012 at 06:31 pm
I AM A NYS SAFE BOATING INSTRUCTOR AND A CERTIFIED CAPTAIN. SIMPLY PUT A PERSON COMPLETING THE SAFE BOATING COURSE AND PASSING THE TEST KNOWS MORE THAN SOMEONE WHO DIDN'T! HAS THE KNOWLEDGE TO POSSIBLY PREVENT ONE MORE DEATH ON THE WATER.IT SHOULD BE MADE A LAW TODAY!!!!!!
Don August 9, 2012 at 06:45 pm
HeY Tom DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO! GO MOW THE LAWN AND STOP HARPING ON THIS SUBJECT!
Tony Chliek August 9, 2012 at 06:48 pm
@Tom In 1994 we decided to get a "big" boat to replace my 16ft bow rider. We joined the US Power Squadron and both my wife and I took the basic boating course. The next year we bought a 39ft Sea Ray Express. Fortunately my power squadron friends volunteered to come with me to pick it up, because going through the Shinnecock locks, out the inlet into 7ft seas, back through the Morriches inlet and finally to a marina in Bellport was not the way to learn on my first time piloting a "big" boat. During the 10 years we were members, we both took a lot more courses because we realized how much we didn't know. Not only did we learn from the course, but the information we received from far more experienced members was invaluable. We also made many good friends and had a lot of great times.
John Gruber August 9, 2012 at 06:54 pm
yea, it's not like trying to promote logic and safety is gonna help anyone right? why don't you post something useful before telling other people not to comment. luckily you don't own the forum
jacque August 9, 2012 at 09:15 pm
I dont really feel the boating course is the issue, to me it is the principal of it all. Because of the stupidity of others, they want to put this law in place. First off, you cannot keep stupid people from doing stupid things. A boating course is not going to stop stupid and the incidents that have happened are all because of stupidity. Especially what happened on July 4th.
Tony Chliek August 9, 2012 at 09:31 pm
You're right, we can't legislate stupid out of people, but we can educate everyone so accidents are a lot less likely to happen. The proof in that statement is that 89% of the boating accidents in 2011 happened with uneducated boater. Compared to 11% of educated boaters. It's just common sense to get educated before you take command of a boat like you do with a car.
John Gruber August 9, 2012 at 11:02 pm
of course Jake, everyone knows only leftists support boat safety.
Captain Howard Hawrey August 10, 2012 at 03:16 am
My issue is not with the idea of the safe boating course or even the need for it. "Knowledge is Good". My issue is however with parents demanding legislation with an opportunistic politician by their side claiming we need mandatory boating courses. When those same parents admit that is was their irresponsible actions by letting those children on the boat at a news conference and then ask for mandated safety courses I can respect that request. To blame the death of their child on the fact that we don't have madatory boating courses is a farce. And by the way I bet your seeing dollar signs over this right now! Line them up for Capt Bernie's safe boating course.
Captain Howard Hawrey August 10, 2012 at 03:41 am
So your looking to say that 100% of educated boaters are causing the accidents. Statistics can be played anyway you want. So you intend to legislate common sense. Good luck with that.
John Gruber August 10, 2012 at 03:45 am
I doubt these people felt like they needed a law to mandate it, it should be common sense to take some type of training before you do any type of potentially dangerous activity
Heather Dunn-Kostura August 10, 2012 at 11:00 am
Knee Jerk- I think you misunderstood me. I think people should take safety courses for the things they do that can harm others. This should be both common sense and voluntary. While I agree with some of the Nanny Bills out there I don't think I would vote for them. I am about personal responsibility. This hippie chick is tired of the government getting too involved in my life. So my mission is to be nice, pay attention, and set a good example.
FYI August 10, 2012 at 03:46 pm
The problem is also one of enforcement. Have you seen any fewer people texting or talking on their phones recently? I know I haven't. Not enough personal responsibility nor enforcement of existing laws. Let's maximize law enforcement effect by first examining the number of violations they have legitimately addressed while on patrol and also the number of summonses issued. Nothing assures compliance faster than a hit to the wallet. We stop for stop signs, not because we are worried about accidents, but because we don't want to get bagged for a moving violation. Ouch! ENFORCE the laws and regulations on the waters first.
FYI August 10, 2012 at 04:00 pm
REPLY TO TOM GILLEN. You still have to prove or illustrate that requiring people to take a course will prevent them from acting irresponsible or stupidly. We have DWI offenders that take courses EVERY time they receive another DWI ticket. OH, I recognize alcoholism is a disease but perhaps stupidity, lack of personal responsibility, lack of accountability and all the other things we try to instill in people must come from within. Required new courses will not do squat for those that choose to ignore the information proffered. You just can't teach stupid. People will still do what they want so you better find something better than a new course for this problem. Face the fact that every one of these "accidents" on the water were preventable by common sense. They were all "experienced boaters". Yeah, right.
FYI August 10, 2012 at 04:05 pm
Again, you cannot teach responsibility with a course. It's up to the individual boater. Anyone with half a brain will want to take a course in preparing to operate a boat. It's the ones without the half a brain that if forced, will either learn nothing or choose to act stupidly out there. Increased enforcement that hits the ignorant and non-compliant in the wallet will be more effective.
FYI August 10, 2012 at 04:16 pm
Now that's an idea worth investigating. Institute a written boating test that would have to be passed prior to receiving permission to operate a boat. No course requirement but make the test comprehensive enough where those who haven't either studied on their own, taken a course or had sufficient prior on the water experience would not be likely to pass.
FYI August 10, 2012 at 04:28 pm
No course is required for an adult to get a driver's license. You need to study the manual and first pass a written exam. Why not allow boaters the option to take a written exam and leave it up to the individual to either take a course, read a book or gain prior firsthand boating knowledge to pass that test? Knowledge does not need to be received in only a sit down course.
FYI August 10, 2012 at 06:15 pm
Tony... According to those same statistics, the primary overwhelming contributing factor to deaths on the water in 2011 was alcohol. Eight out of every ten boaters who drowned were using vessels less than 21 feet in length. For the ENTIRE United States in 2011, 93 deaths occurred in Bays, Inlets, Marinas, Sounds, Harbors, Channels, Canals, Sloughs, Coves which includes our waters. 641 deaths were in Lakes, Ponds, Reservoirs, Dams, Gravel Pits Rivers, Streams, Creeks, Swamps and Bayous. For the period 2007-2011, 14 years, the total accident numbers have decreased from 8047 to 4058. Number of deaths has decreased from 821 to 758, but has remained relatively level over the years. So can we conclude that if we eliminated DWI, banned all boats less than 21', and restricted boating to only coastal areas we could beat the problem? Personal responsibility is part of character development. Some people will never get it. A mandatory course won't do it. DWI and DWB remain our biggest problems to solve. My thinking is still requiring a test which includes important boating information in order to pilot a boat. Heavy fines, strict and more consistent enforcement of existing laws and acceptance that there will always be idiots everywhere. Be prepared.

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